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when I went to Holloman Air Force Base

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because George Air Force Base didn't

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have a high altitude chamber

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so I went to Holloman and worked at the

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aeromed laboratory

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under Colonel John Paul Stapp the guy

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there were four

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flight surgeons at Holloman

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John Paul staff was one

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David Simons was another and there was a

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bay I mean a hospital Commander a

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lieutenant colonel I can't remember his

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name

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and Dr Robert Reiner who is a captain

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I went

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to Reiner's office

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from the aeromed Laboratories

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because I did not keep chicken eggs

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alive

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I didn't put any water in an incubator

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and they died

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now

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David Simons

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wrote a kind of bad letter for me so

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that I'd get out of there and he did the

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right thing because I'm not a lab person

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I'm a person person

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okay

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when I went to work for Dr Reiner I

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worked in the flight surgeon's office

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there Dr Reiner was the best man that I

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have ever worked for in my life

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marvelous man

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Eisenhower is going to land one day and

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in the winter

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Holloman Air Force Base has got a

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code

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that unless in the wintertime everything

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is normally khakis unless you're doing

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base operations work and are an officer

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of an official standing on the base then

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you wear Blues that's in the wintertime

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so the story that I'm telling you the

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difference between khakis and blues is

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when Eisenhower was supposed to land we

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would or come in the day before he was

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to come in

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a parade for to honor him was canceled

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the president of the United States is

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entitled to full military honors at any

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base that he lands on and that means a

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parade

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Dr Reiner asked me if I wanted to go to

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the parade and I said no he says okay

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you're working

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well the work schedule of Eisenhower

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didn't show up the parade didn't show up

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so I just went to work like normal when

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I went there

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there was a nurse who worked there that

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said

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Kirkland where's Dorsey Darcy Moore was

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the Airman in charge of our little group

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he wasn't an officer he was an Airman

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and

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thornson who is our clerk type who said

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I saw him take his wife down to the

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commissary he'll be back in about 15 or

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20 minutes

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I just kept quiet after that you know

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when Darcy came in about 15 minutes

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later

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he said Kirkland

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did you see what's out at the fly on the

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flight line I said what is it he says

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it's a disc hovering disc I'm thinking

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disc that you can throw

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12 inches maybe

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wooden with a steel rim

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the only thing that I knew that hovered

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other than that was a helicopter and the

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and I'm saying oh I said what's it made

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of he says metal like polished aluminum

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polished steel he's a you know metal I

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I said

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no I haven't seen it he said do you want

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to see it I said yes I said I'd like to

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see it he said go out to the front of

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the hospital he says and look down at

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the flight line he said you'll see it I

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said with my luck I said I would go out

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there and it wouldn't be there he said I

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wouldn't say that he says I took my wife

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to the commissary it was there 30

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minutes later when I left

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and I said well I'll ask

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in a base

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where there's war conditions regardless

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of where you're at you're on 24 7.

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and I if you leave your the signed spot

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that's against the law

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military law

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so I asked the nurse who had asked the

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doctor if I go out to the front and see

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it she looked at the doctor and the

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nine o'clock

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go for coffee

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coming back from coffee I'm following

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two young Pilots

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the one on the left is in khakis the one

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on the right is in blues the one on the

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left said

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why the blues he says I'm the officer of

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the day he says I've been down at base

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Ops all day

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he said waiting for the plane to come in

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he said Air Force One he said yes

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Air Force One that was the first time I

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heard Air Force One I didn't know what

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it meant I had to ask that too

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in the 60s that was very common but in

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the 40s it was the first time I heard it

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he says well what happened he said he

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landed he turned around on the active

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and shut down and we were told to turn

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off our radar why were you told to turn

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off your radar I don't know he said we

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were told to turn it off so we turned

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them off

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and then the guy in the Khaki said I

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heard that the one that was brought down

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at Roswell

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was brought down with Doppler radar

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and he said I don't know

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they were continued talking what

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happened after that he said they came

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out over the mountains Across The

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Proving Ground White Sands Proving

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across the monument and the guy on the

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left again the Khaki guy said I heard

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One landed at the monument

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he said the other one said I don't know

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about that I'm telling you what I saw

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two of them came over One landed on the

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reactive in front of the plane and the

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like it was protecting that plane

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he got out of his plane walked to the

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UFO and the door opened and he walked

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inside how long was he in there about 40

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or 45 minutes

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could you see were they grazed he says I

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couldn't see I didn't have binoculars

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who had the binoculars the tower could

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they see no they didn't have the angle

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this is all going on while I'm walking

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behind them

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probably no more from here to the lobby

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area

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and as they were doing this

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one of them said did you see the one on

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the left again did you see the autopsy

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film the one on the right said yes do

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you think it's real I don't know

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and he said well he said does electronic

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waves radio waves go through plastic he

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said why do you ask that he said because

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I think there's a radar unit in the nose

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who are you talking about I said are you

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Pilots

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and they shut up turned around so I

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couldn't read their names and walked on

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I went to the fightson's office at 11

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o'clock I went like I normally did to

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pick up the mail

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picking up the mail and new

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officer Supply officer said Kirkland

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I've been looking for you he said did

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you see anything down on the flight line

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I said no but I'm qualified for

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emergency operation first raid all of

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this graduated top of my classes

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and I said no do you need help he said

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at noon you know

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Dorsey didn't show up after lunch

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the nurse and Dorothea thornson both

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asked me where's Dorsey I said I don't

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know sometimes if we're not too busy

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he goes and home and eats he'll be here

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2 30 shows up 2 45

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Darcy's not there at 2 30 but about 2 45

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he shows up I'm walking out for coffee

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and I say Darcy Where Have You Been he

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says at a meeting I said well you better

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tell Dorothea and the nurse because

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they're wondering where you're at

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after work I'm in my Barracks room and

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I'm called outside

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to the back of the barracks because Air

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Force One is flying over the residential

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area at Holloman Air Force Base that's a

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no-fly area zone

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I ran out looked for it I had to jump up

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because the plane was flying low and it

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just passed over the roof

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of our building

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Air Force One Flew from Holloman at

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waited until supper

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and from supper I went out and I looked

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the flights into the office and the

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lights were on I'd say no wonder what's

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going on because part of my job is to

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check to make sure the lights go on so I

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walked over

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and there was Captain Reiner talking to

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a lieutenant colonel who was in blues

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and he said

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colonel was talking he said

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Bob he said I was there on stage with

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him standing room only 225 people in spy

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air

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and Bob said Captain Reiner said that

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he had heard that he had talked at the

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base theater he said he might have been

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because he only spoke for a couple

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minutes and then he

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left

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and the base commander spoke for about

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20. he could have had plenty of time to

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go over the Base theater and come back

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he said but I'm telling you is what I

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saw standing room only and the supply

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I said who talked

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he said the commander-in-chief

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I said the president

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he said the commander-in-chief you don't

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ask a lieutenant colonel again if it was

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the president

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so I knew that I said what did he talk

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about he says it's classified

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I said how is it classified

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confidential he says

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higher

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he says what's the O I said I'm only

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classified the secret it's none of my

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business and he said I would not say

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okay

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about three months after that

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I was getting ready to go overseas and I

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asked a bunch of guys that were there

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and because I said I have never heard a

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president talk have any of you ever

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heard a president talk they said yes one

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of them said yes

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I said who he said Eisenhower I said

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where he said the Base theater and

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another Airman said hey

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and the conversation stopped just like

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that

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these things

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1995 I was listening to a man by the

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name of Mike Murphy

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Kansas City

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and Mike Murphy was interviewing a guy

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by the name of Bob Dean

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but Mike kept calling him Baba day don't

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ask me why I'm just saying that he did

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Bob Dean said that he had talked to a

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man who is a crew member aboard Air

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Force One that landed at Holloman and

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Holloman got at Holloman Eisenhower got

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out and went aboard a UFO I said my God

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I was there

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I became a believer

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and I started putting together this

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information and tried to get it to

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various people I got some of the

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information to Mike Murphy and was

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interviewed on radio three times I sent

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away a letter of some of this material

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to Stan Freeman and I got back a

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mammograph thing that said he wanted to

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buy do you want to buy my air my books

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no I'm not really interested in his

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books you know

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the reason I'm not interested in this

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books is because I know Eisenhower met

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with UFOs Okay so

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on

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radio show and I called in and offered

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her the same information and

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no she was doing her thing she never

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called back she never wanted any of this

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information so I went to the Ozarks

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later on meeting there

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and Saw Linda Moulton Howe and I was and

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said I just wanted to see what you

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looked like and that was all she was

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doing her own thing and still does her

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own thing yeah

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not related to my incidents at all and

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she wasn't interested

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so

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nobody was really interested at all

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but when I was in the graduated from

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Long Beach

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I worked at North American

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and I worked at Burbank in Lockheed I

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worked on the Blackbird

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and then from there I went to Motorola

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and worked as a scientific computer

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specialist

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for an analog group ed growth by name

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this is kind of interesting too

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Ed said

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that the electronic people had told him

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that they had made 120 to 150 year jump

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I said how and he said by backward

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engineering

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a foreign object I said Russian he said

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he didn't know where it came from but it

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was backward engineered about a week

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later an electrical engineer told me

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that the guys who were doing the

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had said that what they were backward

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engineering was a computer and this

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computer carried 30 digits of accuracy

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only terrestrial

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only Interstellar you don't need it on

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from there I went back to Collins radio

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and from Collins radio I went to Houston

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working for our

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lockheed's missile in space I worked on

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the trainers and while I was there at

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the trainers it was very interesting

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because another incident took place

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Wally sharara worked in the same office

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that I did only he had a view of the

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outside I work in an inside cubicle it

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the astronauts and this is hearsay

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because I was not there but I was told

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by somebody that did the astronauts were

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told

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that they should not talk about any

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kitchen

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items flying like pancakes

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dishes or cups

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do you understand what I mean he said

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you're not to talk about this among

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yourselves your wives your family or

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anyone by radio or on the radio

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oh yeah

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okay Wally Sarah is up in space

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circling the earth

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and he says Houston

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the boys went around the Moon came back

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out from The Far Side

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and another astronaut said there is a

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now how big he was I never figured out

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until I heard at

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Laughlin this year

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that two Navy men had seen a craft come

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out of the water about a mile a mile and

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a half away from them that was three to

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five times the size of an aircraft

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carrier

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that's big

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it carries about 10 000 people

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the question is whether it's ours or

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theirs

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okay

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now the verification of my story at

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Holloman

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was done by Art Campbell

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and art has recorded information of a

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woman whose father

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became

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a fireman so

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if you want all right

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yeah we will put on the electrician's

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daughter please

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uh this lady

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contacted me as a result of an article

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speaking now

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Oh Billy yeah that's yeah

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going to her personal memorabilia prior

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and he loved to climb his polls there he

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is with his friend Jim and that he was

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practicing going up and down

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and it there he is we're again working

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working at the cleaning the weapons and

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getting message pickup

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and oh here here's some of his Nebraska

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fan memorabilia that he loved so much

401
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and he had

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he had this with him whatever he had a

403
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few plane crashes and he always had this

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picture with him he was he was

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very fond of of his religion

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and this is a current events uh

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School newspaper that we used to get

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every every week this was from in the

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week of February to March 2nd of 1956

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and it was showing these Air Force

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balloons that were going up it was every

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other day in hollerman we we used to

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just run around and and and we didn't we

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didn't know that there was anything

415
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exciting to know about it we just

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thought it was very normal oh and here's

417
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some pictures my Dad loved also to do

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photography and here is uh this is Dad

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at uh it was with Nixon and Agnew in in

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1972 And this is in Omaha when Nixon

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wasn't here in Omaha in 1970 and he got

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invited to the inaugural ball and he

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didn't have his Flash and he was so

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upset but there is his own picture and

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he was he was quite involved with the

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with the with the party he he uh he he

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used to fly the Republicans locally when

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he moved here in the late 60s he flew

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the party members to meetings oh or

430
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Southeast Nebraska and then when they

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when when Nixon came he he flew the

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Republican National Committee members in

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1970 when they were stumping for Nixon

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and

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he uh he suggested that they talk about

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the Nebraska football because the you

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know everybody was they played in the

438
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Orange Bowl in in 69 for the national

439
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championship and so uh Nixon started his

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speech in Omaha Omaha with dad's idea

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about about bringing up football and he

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also played in Tarkio uh because he was

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a stocky person he loved his football

444
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but anyway there's some other things

445
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here uh so I've got the some letters

446
00:20:41,930 --> 00:20:39,120
right here I'm sure I'll find that one

447
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yeah here's the one that

448
00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:46,260
uh that Mom and Dad wrote

449
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okay that's uh Auburn Nebraska October

450
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26 1989. dear kids it's beautiful fall

451
00:20:57,950 --> 00:20:55,500
here with the usual pumpkins up and down

452
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the main drag kids are getting excited

453
00:21:02,270 --> 00:20:59,820
your your father and I are doing well

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00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:02,280
heard from Helen she said the grandchild

455
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came on time and all those sharing was

456
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in labor well I you don't need to talk

457
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,360
dad has just come from the kitchen with

458
00:21:12,650 --> 00:21:11,039
a cup of coffee and he says he doesn't

459
00:21:15,169 --> 00:21:12,660
mind telling the fireman story again

460
00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:15,179
that you kids know it better after all

461
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,380
these years

462
00:21:21,409 --> 00:21:18,720
but he'll recall what he can

463
00:21:24,169 --> 00:21:21,419
all right this is the part

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00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,179
well you kids and Mom moved down from

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Albuquerque I think it was in the summer

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of 1954. as you recall I had taken the

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hollerman job that previous winter and

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mom wanted us all together so we rented

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a place over near Dudley Elementary

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School on Maryland wasn't it remember

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you kids could walk to school you were

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you were in the fourth grade and Billy

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was in first or second

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anyhow sometime after Christmas of 55 we

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were told President Eisenhower was

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coming

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so George our boss then at the electric

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shop went to a meeting to find out more

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00:22:01,490 --> 00:21:58,740
he would not be inspecting anything and

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they said just carry on as usual if you

481
00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:04,080
see the president don't Gog wave or

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anything just carry on

483
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so the day the president came we went

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out in the truck to a job where we were

485
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replacing some wire down the flight line

486
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it was really old stuff but it put there

487
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in World War II

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and it's safe so we heard the

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00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:21,600
president's playing in the morning

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lining up for an approach and watched it

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land on the far Runway

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so we waited for it to taxi over to the

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flight line so we could see him

494
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but we didn't hear it anymore and it had

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shut down somewhere out there

496
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so we went ahead and pulled wire for a

497
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while and one of the men I I believe it

498
00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:42,000
was Charlie said he can see out there

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00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,460
from that pole over there so why don't

500
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one of us go up the pole and see where

501
00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:47,880
the plane is

502
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,100
well I had my clamp Climbers on and I

503
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:51,840
started to unbuckle them and was waiting

504
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:54,000
to give them to the first volunteer

505
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when someone said I should do it as

506
00:22:59,330 --> 00:22:57,720
people were used to seeing me up on the

507
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,340
polls anyway

508
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:01,679
so I started up with my back to the Sun

509
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a safety measure which also put my back

510
00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:06,480
to the runway where we thought as Connie

511
00:23:11,450 --> 00:23:07,320
was

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00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:11,460
constellation the president flew

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as I started up some of the guys remind

514
00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:16,980
me not to gawk and I heard them laugh

515
00:23:21,169 --> 00:23:18,539
a few minutes later I heard some

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00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:21,179
shouting and some guys tarring a hanger

517
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,059
roof nearby started to run pointing out

518
00:23:28,669 --> 00:23:26,640
to the runways then I heard our truck

519
00:23:31,970 --> 00:23:28,679
start up and some of the crew jumped in

520
00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:31,980
with one or two running after it

521
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and they're pointing out to the flight

522
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line and so I decided to turn around on

523
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the pole to see what the roughness was

524
00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:39,120
about and

525
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,820
I could not believe what I saw there was

526
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,400
this pie tin like thing coming at me

527
00:23:49,310 --> 00:23:46,799
about 150 feet away

528
00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:49,320
I thought it was remote controlled or or

529
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:53,580
something 25 to 30 feet across and I

530
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:55,980
started down the pole as fast as I could

531
00:23:59,649 --> 00:23:56,760
go

532
00:24:03,649 --> 00:23:59,659
I was up about 40 feet and I threw my

533
00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:03,659
climbing rope out gave it slack and only

534
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:05,460
touched the spike on each side of the

535
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,580
pole three or four times on each side in

536
00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:10,559
before I got to the bottom

537
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:12,419
while I was running towards the big

538
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:14,940
Hangar I looked back and it had stopped

539
00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:17,280
and was just sitting there

540
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:19,380
well when we all got back to the shop

541
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:21,720
and we had a good lap one of the guys

542
00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:24,299
who saw me come down said he got down

543
00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:26,760
that pole faster than a fireman

544
00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:28,860
so as you kids were growing up and we

545
00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:31,620
had the family gatherings you used to

546
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,900
ask to tell me about the time I became a

547
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:35,220
fireman

548
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,080
you know

549
00:24:41,330 --> 00:24:39,120
I always wondered why we did not use

550
00:24:42,049 --> 00:24:41,340
that thing during Vietnam and sore for

551
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,059
it

552
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,159
and over the years I realized if we had

553
00:24:48,110 --> 00:24:46,559
technology like that it would have saved

554
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,120
lots of lives

555
00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:50,159
but I gradually realized that it had

556
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:51,960
something to do with Ike being there

557
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:53,460
that day

558
00:24:58,610 --> 00:24:56,820
and it wasn't ours it was an Unwritten

559
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:58,620
rule at Holloman you didn't talk about

560
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:01,679
what you saw and after that day it was

561
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:04,380
seldom mentioned at the shop

562
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,360
I still have those climbers here

563
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,679
someplace

564
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,080
Billy used to play with them

565
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:12,480
you remember

566
00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:14,700
mom here again well Dad's wandered

567
00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:16,620
outside someplace he said something

568
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:18,120
about checking the pump it's been

569
00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:19,980
sluggish lately dad thinks the motor is

570
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:22,020
old and needs rewinding

571
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,940
he spends several hours a week up at

572
00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:25,440
Harold's helping out with mechanical

573
00:25:30,289 --> 00:25:27,960
electrical stuff for farm equipment

574
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:30,299
Dr fournash says it's okay for Dad to

575
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:31,740
drive a little around town but to keep

576
00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:33,059
an eye on him

577
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:35,400
he thinks dad has had a mini stroke or

578
00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:37,020
two but should not do any highway

579
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:39,299
driving at night

580
00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:42,179
he drags his left foot a little but gets

581
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:44,279
out to the golf course in good weather

582
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:47,520
but he has to use a cart now

583
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:49,140
we're looking forward to seeing all you

584
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,400
at Christmas

585
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,039
say hi to Bob and Warren for us and hug

586
00:25:57,409 --> 00:25:55,200
the twins

587
00:26:09,470 --> 00:25:57,419
Oliver I love

588
00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:11,630
all right now I got together over three

589
00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:13,860
years ago

590
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,860
Art's going to tell you how he gave him

591
00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:19,200
got in contact with me and there's

592
00:26:22,190 --> 00:26:20,100
another

593
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:22,200
little vignette

594
00:26:28,370 --> 00:26:25,799
from somebody else that was at Holland

595
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,380
here's our

596
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:30,720
first I want to tell you about the lady

597
00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:32,700
from uh

598
00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:34,860
nihama County I believe uh Southern

599
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:36,419
Nebraska

600
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,659
uh she said this is the second time she

601
00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:40,799
wrote the letter

602
00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:42,179
she read the letter

603
00:26:45,649 --> 00:26:43,740
first time she broke down in the middle

604
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,659
of it her father died and two months

605
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:47,520
after the letter was written you see the

606
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:49,559
last letter

607
00:26:54,049 --> 00:26:52,620
and uh she said I gotta make myself over

608
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:54,059
and be back down in a couple minutes she

609
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:55,559
came down wearing a wig

610
00:26:58,730 --> 00:26:57,179
she had a beautiful salt and pepper hair

611
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:58,740
but anyhow we went ahead and filmed it

612
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,679
again Bill didn't mention the fact that

613
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,600
I think he mentioned it when

614
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,520
Eisenhower's plane landed it's huge

615
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:08,640
plane you couldn't uh it's it sits 10

616
00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:10,140
feet off of the tarmac you just have the

617
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,880
ladder to get in and out of it

618
00:27:15,769 --> 00:27:13,200
and uh

619
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,779
uh the plane usually was down on the end

620
00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:17,279
of the runway and tackies back around to

621
00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:20,100
the a part of the uh there's an a

622
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:22,919
section of the runway where the tower is

623
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:25,020
and then it comes the VIP area where

624
00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:26,100
they were going to have the uh the

625
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,539
parade which by the way was canceled

626
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,039
Bill mentioned

627
00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:31,440
well Eisenhower's plane sat out on the

628
00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:33,240
runway as far as it could be

629
00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:35,159
they closed the runway

630
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:37,500
the whole day while the president was

631
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:40,020
there and Bill said he remember seeing

632
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,080
it about 4 45 or 5 in the afternoon

633
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:45,120
seeing the president's playing fly over

634
00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:48,480
uh over Holloman Air Force Base

635
00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:54,299
so uh we're ready now for a man who flew

636
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,400
into

637
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:59,120
Holloman Air Force Base

638
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:01,860
the day before Eisenhower arrived we

639
00:28:06,409 --> 00:28:04,500
believe it was the 10th around the 10th

640
00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:06,419
of February 1955.

641
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:09,240
was due to go out in the next morning

642
00:28:13,850 --> 00:28:11,400
and they would not let him go and they

643
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,860
held up his plane for a whole day he was

644
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:16,320
a staff sergeant who was a voter on a

645
00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:17,520
cargo plane

646
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:18,900
this man

647
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:22,020
saw I explained land and heard President

648
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:25,380
Eisenhower speak at Holloman February 10

649
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:28,380
1955.

650
00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:32,220
okay ready for the uh the Airman police

651
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:40,010
we've had to use pseudonyms for our

652
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,880
people

653
00:28:47,930 --> 00:28:43,440
in 1950

654
00:28:51,070 --> 00:28:47,940
uh well it was actually 1951.

655
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:51,080
I was in an airplane accident

656
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:54,779
and I had another airplane accident

657
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:57,299
where I split my head open

658
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,159
and uh

659
00:29:05,529 --> 00:29:01,440
it ruined my back

660
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:05,539
my wife I just lost her first child

661
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:09,240
gunner in 19 in World War II 43 missions

662
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,820
over Japan no Year dude to go to Korea

663
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:14,159
but in your condition

664
00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:18,000
if you volunteer for baccalaure Air

665
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:21,179
Force Base out in Indiana

666
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:24,840
uh any any other

667
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:28,679
that's where you go so we were fortunate

668
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:32,039
we went there and stayed there and my

669
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:36,600
wife was pregnant with my our sentence

670
00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:38,820
actually the second child

671
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:42,419
and I since they can't send me overseas

672
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:45,899
let's just stay in the next year and

673
00:29:55,450 --> 00:29:53,149
while I was out in Indiana

674
00:29:57,970 --> 00:29:55,460
my job was

675
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:57,980
loading and

676
00:30:02,269 --> 00:30:00,360
delivering a

677
00:30:05,230 --> 00:30:02,279
cargo

678
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:05,240
we went to Washington

679
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:08,460
where they opened a new base with cargo

680
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,430
it just kind of

681
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,840
anything they wanted

682
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:18,360
we would fly it what other bases did you

683
00:30:24,610 --> 00:30:22,620
go to well I went through March

684
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:24,620
and uh

685
00:30:29,289 --> 00:30:27,000
and Hallman

686
00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:29,299
two or three times

687
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:34,500
we hauled what we think is slept for the

688
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:39,649
Dave what do you recall about Holloman

689
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:41,940
well

690
00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:46,799
we had a haul a load of stuff down there

691
00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:51,059
parts that they needed and the runway is

692
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:52,440
like this

693
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:55,140
and I never seen anything like that

694
00:30:57,970 --> 00:30:56,340
before

695
00:31:02,930 --> 00:30:57,980
and

696
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,940
anyway as we were there we saw Air Force

697
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:04,620
One come in

698
00:31:08,510 --> 00:31:06,299
and uh

699
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:08,520
we didn't know who it was

700
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,760
and then we come an officer come around

701
00:31:17,149 --> 00:31:13,200
and says

702
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,159
you can't leave and I said slowly the

703
00:31:21,610 --> 00:31:19,500
pilot said we have to leave

704
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,620
and he says well President

705
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:23,760
Eisenhower is here

706
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:27,720
and you can't leave the field until he's

707
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,399
gone

708
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:32,159
and I says

709
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:35,820
I you can hear what we're loud speakers

710
00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:39,720
but uh uh it didn't do any good you know

711
00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:42,539
I would have liked to have seen him and

712
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:45,000
this officer

713
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:48,120
that we didn't have the clearance

714
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:50,820
that go into the mess hall

715
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:54,240
and one of the other officers a higher

716
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:56,580
ranking officer came to Essences would

717
00:32:00,649 --> 00:31:59,340
you like to go in and eat and listen to

718
00:32:03,409 --> 00:32:00,659
a speech

719
00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:03,419
and most of us said yeah

720
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,659
because I'd like to see him I didn't get

721
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:08,700
to shake his hand or anything

722
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:18,710
badge clearance

723
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:21,480
don't go in but they did leave us go in

724
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:24,539
at the very end and we ate and listened

725
00:32:29,210 --> 00:32:27,240
to a speech what do you think of him I

726
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,220
thought he was great

727
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:32,000
he had a lot of good ideas

728
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,159
maybe he had some I didn't just I

729
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:37,919
disagreed with but I don't agree with

730
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:41,279
everybody anyway you know

731
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:43,740
Dave you remember what uh what date that

732
00:32:48,409 --> 00:32:45,899
was that you were there

733
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:48,419
the reason I know you

734
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:51,179
uh when he was there

735
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:54,840
and here's what I got discharged he was

736
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:00,059
there in mid February in 1955. that was

737
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:03,000
my last trip that I made while I was in

738
00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:04,440
the service

739
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:05,820
uh

740
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:09,480
then I I was discharged

741
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:12,299
and I came back home to the Bay Area

742
00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:19,130
is this does this event with uh

743
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:21,539
Eisenhower fit into any timeline you

744
00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:23,220
might may have constructed in terms of

745
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,519
uh what came after this if if this was

746
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:28,799
his first is there some things that came

747
00:33:32,509 --> 00:33:31,019
afterwards that we're aware of that may

748
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,519
or may not be connected

749
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:35,519
uh it's our understanding at least mine

750
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,640
that the uh the uh extraterrestrials are

751
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:41,519
very interested in our nuclear uh

752
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,620
progress and they first started showing

753
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:45,480
up a year or so after we dropped the

754
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:47,820
nuclear bomb the first one in uh set one

755
00:33:51,289 --> 00:33:49,860
off in uh Alamogordo

756
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:51,299
and um

757
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:54,960
I I have a feeling that they may have

758
00:34:00,649 --> 00:33:58,200
been behind uh the early peace talks

759
00:34:01,970 --> 00:34:00,659
Eisenhower went to one in July in Geneva

760
00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:01,980
called Geneva one

761
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:06,360
uh in July of 1955.

762
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,839
and uh red China was there Russia was

763
00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:11,760
there and by the way the Russians were

764
00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:13,139
changing governments and you know they

765
00:34:18,369 --> 00:34:15,300
were pretty shaky at that time

766
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:18,379
and uh the

767
00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:21,960
stones appointee uh at the time was

768
00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:24,300
malinkoff had been replaced because he

769
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,859
didn't make The Five-Year Plan it was

770
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,119
one of many

771
00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:28,800
and they were getting ready to replace

772
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,899
him with President by the way who was

773
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:33,119
kind of a crony of Khrushchev

774
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:35,220
so we were having a Russian government

775
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:37,320
change at the same time they were having

776
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,379
the red Chinese Shilling uh Taiwan and

777
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:42,480
the president goes hunting incredible

778
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,980
incredible

779
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:46,320
uh but first we know that's the only

780
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,060
aftermath of what may have happened and

781
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:50,879
I of course had his first heart attack

782
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:52,379
in um

783
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:56,220
September in Denver uh that year those

784
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,200
people took an oath not to reveal that

785
00:35:01,609 --> 00:34:59,520
the president was there and what they

786
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,619
had seen okay thank you

787
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:03,599
this is why when Bill was in a

788
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:06,780
conversation and Dr Reiner's office he

789
00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:08,700
said the president and that the

790
00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:10,220
lieutenant colonel corrected

791
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:12,060
commander-in-chief they weren't allowed

792
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,800
to use the word president and Bill said

793
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,440
you mean the president the

794
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:17,520
commander-in-chief is a president or

795
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,800
whatever he said but in any case they

796
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:21,119
didn't want to use that word although

797
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,560
they had to acknowledge he was there

798
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,300
everybody knew it everybody at the base

799
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:25,920
knew he was coming including all the

800
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:27,780
civilians there's eight or nine thousand

801
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:30,660
people there about 4 500 enlisted people

802
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,240
in offices and a complete Air Wing is

803
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,280
there also they all knew he was coming

804
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:37,440
but with their Communications in those

805
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:39,420
days there was no way that they

806
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:41,160
communicate that back to Thomasville

807
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:43,260
Georgia and they really didn't care so

808
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,240
all he had to do was make sure he came

809
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:47,520
in and out of Thomasville in secret

810
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:50,040
because he had 30 International press by

811
00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:51,960
the way were cooling their Hills Hills

812
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,960
at the Scott hotel

813
00:35:56,990 --> 00:35:56,040
cleaning out the bar and everything else

814
00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:57,000
they could

815
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,820
and uh

816
00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:01,920
press secretary Haggard came in and gave

817
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,420
him daily briefings

818
00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:05,760
about the world situation in in the Far

819
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:08,700
East in the an evacuation of the Tashan

820
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:10,920
islands and the kamoy Matsu situation

821
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:12,300
and so forth

822
00:36:16,849 --> 00:36:14,820
uh and they thought Eisenhower was at a

823
00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:16,859
cottage of playing Scrabble and having

824
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:22,849
excuse me I now know that all of you

825
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:28,370
good afternoon it's a pleasure to um

826
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,760
speak to y'all

827
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:31,680
um speaking the truth I've been studying

828
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:33,900
this um for like two years now and it's

829
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:37,079
been documented that um Harry Truman

830
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:42,560
um had um did a treaty with the Grays

831
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:45,300
suspectingly and um brought the

832
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,980
Rockefellers in

833
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,480
um you can check this out um through

834
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:50,700
William Cooper Thomas Costello and Phil

835
00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:54,000
Schneider and when Truman left office he

836
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:56,099
had passed it down to Eisenhower now the

837
00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:57,359
day that y'all was talking about in

838
00:37:03,290 --> 00:37:00,660
February um 1955. Eisenhower was

839
00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:03,300
scheduled to be in a certain place but

840
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:05,940
is documented that he had a toothache on

841
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,980
the exact date and it was supposedly

842
00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:10,079
said to here went to Holloman Air Force

843
00:37:14,569 --> 00:37:13,020
Base that he told the um the people the

844
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:14,579
news meeting that he had a toothache but

845
00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:16,740
he went to Holloman Air Force Base to

846
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,900
have this meeting with the um with the

847
00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:21,359
gray you're mistaken in two areas one

848
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:24,780
two take took place in 1954 at Edwards

849
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,440
Air Force Base he never went to

850
00:37:33,530 --> 00:37:31,200
the doctor that's been substantiated by

851
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:33,540
several people right and this Holloman

852
00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:37,920
instance took place in 1955. okay

853
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,740
and um the question was about the treaty

854
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:42,960
that was supposed to been um

855
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:45,540
I don't know anything about a treaty but

856
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,700
our military was so

857
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,440
afraid

858
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:51,839
of the

859
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:55,980
of what took place in 1938 1938 War of

860
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:58,980
the Worlds was broadcast as a news as a

861
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,520
radio show as a News Bulletin and

862
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:05,280
there's only two times in my life when I

863
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:07,560
was younger that my father interfered

864
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:10,500
with us listening to the radio one was

865
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,380
in 1938 when that was on War of the

866
00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:15,359
Worlds and the other one was November

867
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:19,380
December 7th in 1941 when Japan attacked

868
00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:20,820
us

869
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:25,079
now from that from those points uh the

870
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:27,480
military was very concerned that the

871
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:31,200
public would go ballistic

872
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:34,140
they did go ballistic so did the

873
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:36,540
military the military has never been

874
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:39,480
able to stop these UFOs and if you can't

875
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:41,460
protect the country

876
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:44,220
what you're doing because that's your

877
00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:45,240
job

878
00:38:48,589 --> 00:38:47,579
how often will you tell the people the

879
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:48,599
truth

880
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:52,380
the Germans and the Japanese both lied

881
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,099
to their people when they could not stop

882
00:39:02,510 --> 00:38:58,560
the Allies from bombing him

883
00:39:06,410 --> 00:39:02,520
we are no different than they are

884
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:06,420
my name is Henry Michael McElroy Jr

885
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:08,940
a retiring

886
00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:11,460
former state representative from New

887
00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:13,560
Hampshire

888
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:15,720
thank you for your attention to this

889
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:17,880
brief message concerning the world's

890
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:21,720
interaction with both earth-based

891
00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:26,040
and off-world astronauts

892
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:28,440
the reason I am making this announcement

893
00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:31,859
is in give hopes of encouraging better

894
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:33,420
perspective

895
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,520
to all who explore the universe

896
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:40,079
therefore as a result

897
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:44,339
making a more valuable contribution to

898
00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:47,359
the humanity to humanity for the benefit

899
00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:50,520
of all faiths

900
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:52,380
all Races

901
00:39:57,470 --> 00:39:55,380
and All Nations

902
00:40:00,349 --> 00:39:57,480
another reason I am here today is

903
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:00,359
because I believe in the foundational

904
00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:04,260
wisdom of our nation

905
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:06,660
which was laid down by our founding

906
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:11,400
fathers and because we not know that

907
00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:13,800
highly Advanced knowledge

908
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:17,339
and information can assist human beings

909
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:21,119
in solving various problems both in

910
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:25,140
current times and in our future

911
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:26,820
when I was in the New Hampshire State

912
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:29,160
Legislature I served on the state

913
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,280
federal relations and Veterans Affairs

914
00:40:39,970 --> 00:40:37,970
it was apparently important that as a

915
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:39,980
representative of the Sovereign people

916
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:42,780
who had elected me to this honorable

917
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:46,260
office that I be updated on a large

918
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:49,920
number of topics related to the Affairs

919
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:54,180
of our people and our nation

920
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,220
As I understood it

921
00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:59,280
some of those ongoing topics had been

922
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:00,900
examined

923
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:05,400
and categorized as federal state local

924
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,300
development and security matters

925
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:11,760
these documents related to various

926
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,380
topics some of which spanned Decades of

927
00:41:21,890 --> 00:41:18,960
our nation's history

928
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:21,900
one of those recurring topics is the

929
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:26,400
reason I am addressing you this evening

930
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:29,940
I would like to submit to our nation

931
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:33,359
my personal testimony of one document

932
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:37,380
related to one of these ongoing topics

933
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:40,140
which I saw while in office

934
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:43,260
serving on the state federal relations

935
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,619
and Veterans Affairs committee

936
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:48,480
the document I saw

937
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,180
was an official brief to President

938
00:41:55,849 --> 00:41:53,520
Eisenhower

939
00:41:59,690 --> 00:41:55,859
to the best of my memory

940
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:59,700
this brief was pervaded with a sense of

941
00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:01,260
hope

942
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:05,099
and it informed President Eisenhower of

943
00:42:10,970 --> 00:42:07,140
the continued presence

944
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:10,980
of extraterrestrial beings here in the

945
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,920
United States of America

946
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:16,560
the briefs seem to indicate that a

947
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:19,260
meeting between the president and some

948
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,619
of these visitors could be arranged

949
00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:24,720
as appropriate

950
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,900
if desired

951
00:42:34,609 --> 00:42:30,480
the tone of the brief indicated to me

952
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:34,619
that there was no need for concern

953
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:37,920
since these visitors were in no way

954
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:40,920
causing any harm

955
00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:44,579
or had any intention whatsoever

956
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:49,320
of causing any disruption then

957
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:52,200
or in the future

958
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,220
while I can't verify the times or places

959
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,280
or that any meeting or meetings occurred

960
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:01,680
directly between Eisenhower and these

961
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,030
because of his optimism in his farewell

962
00:43:16,089 --> 00:43:10,920
address in 1961

963
00:43:19,569 --> 00:43:16,099
I personally believe that Eisenhower did

964
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:19,579
indeed meet with these extraterrestrial

965
00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:23,099
off-world astronauts

966
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:27,180
I hope my personal testimony will Aid

967
00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:30,720
the nation in its quest for continued

968
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:32,280
enlightenment

969
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:35,460
I am honored to follow in the footsteps

970
00:43:40,089 --> 00:43:38,700
of those who have come forward with

971
00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:40,099
their personal

972
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:43,140
testimonies those who deserve the

973
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:45,900
admiration of the American people

974
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,260
for sharing their accounts

975
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:50,880
publicly

976
00:43:58,609 --> 00:43:54,720
in an effort to elevate our knowledge

977
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:58,619
to a higher understanding of our

978
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,319
existence

979
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,079
people such as former Astronaut John

980
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:06,000
Glenn

981
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,460
Edgar Mitchell

982
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:10,740
Gordon Cooper

983
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:15,240
and Buzz Aldrin just to name a few

984
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:18,180
former presidents Ronald Reagan and

985
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,760
Jimmy Carter

986
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:23,280
Captain bill you House of the United

987
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,380
States Marine Corps

988
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,839
Lieutenant Colonel John Williams of the

989
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:30,480
United States Air Force

990
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:34,200
Colonel Philip Corso senior of the

991
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:36,300
United States Army

992
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:39,240
Commander Graham Bethune the United

993
00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:41,460
States Navy

994
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:45,060
along with David Hamilton of the debt

995
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:48,060
Department of energy

996
00:44:54,349 --> 00:44:51,060
Ghana hair of NASA

997
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:54,359
and James Cook of the National Security

998
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:57,000
Agency

999
00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:00,420
I would also like to thank the countries

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00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:02,520
of France

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00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:04,500
Brazil

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00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:06,540
written

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00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,940
Russia

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00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,800
Italy

1005
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,599
Denmark

1006
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:14,460
Sweden

1007
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,380
Norway

1008
00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:18,720
New Zealand

1009
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,680
and our neighbor to the north Canada

1010
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:24,720
Uruguay

1011
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:26,940
and Australia

1012
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:30,480
or also opening their files to the

1013
00:45:36,589 --> 00:45:32,760
citizens of their countries

1014
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:36,599
and allowing them access to information

1015
00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:39,960
that is so very important to the

1016
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:42,780
evolution of humanity

1017
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:45,000
I thank you for allowing me this

1018
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:48,480
opportunity to have a small part in

1019
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:49,980
doing the same

1020
00:45:56,329 --> 00:45:52,980
by sharing the information I have given

1021
00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:58,609
thank you very much and I'd like to

1022
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,780
thank our Communications crew for

1023
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:03,119
helping us make this happen today

1024
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,119
and I'd also like to authorize

1025
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:08,640
distribution of this video

1026
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,380
for anyone

1027
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:12,240
who wants to use it for educational